Defiant is mentioned in "Despite Yourself," and even drives the plot of the next few episodes as Discovery hopes to retrace its steps. I don’t see it as fan service. My issue is with the incessant boasting of the producers and writers that this show is in the Prime Timeline. The TOS design was fine. They already did explain the Klingons. They kept the old designs but applied top production values and a huge budget to execution. I like DISCO but it doesn’t taste like Prime Trek to me. I am surprised that design has avoided looking outdated through the years, or maybe I am biased as that was the ship I grew up with. Wow, you perfectly articulated EXACTLY how I feel about Discovery. I’m, um… ambivalent about this. Discovery’s is already out of date because it still tries to fit into canon to SOME degree. The NX similarities do make the 1701 look older, however, and maybe that was their intent. There’s no open section on the pylons in the Kelvin Enterprise. A great visual update! Has it occurred to you that even those who don’t much care for the show are still fans of the franchise overall and want what is, in their opinion, best for it? I have seen plenty of art and videos of the old 1701 next to the Discovery and nothing about the two feel like they remotely belong in the same era. Again, Rogue One is the perfect example of how to stay absolutely true to the original era (A New Hope) and yet apply such skill and production values that while looking authentic it also looks cutting edge. I would love to see a contrast – that the ship would be seen in bright harsh sunlight in-system, then transition to the self-lit look in deep space, but sans all this gloom/murk. Kirk’s had 430 crewmen. For instance, it has communicators bigger than the TOS ones, despite being set two hundred and fifty years after the invention of the smartphone. >Unfortunately social media gives everyone a voice. ... and a brand new Constitution Refit model is coming to Star Trek Online in a future update! This is 2257…we shouldn’t expect it to get refit to how it looked in TOS until 2265. And ‘Space Central,’ too, which sounds like a faux news show. (DIS: "Context Is for Kings", "What's Past Is Prologue", "Brother") After time traveling to the 32nd century, Discovery underwent a three week retrofit and was … And I also love the extended platform in front of the shuttle bay. The STD Enterprise looks only a bit longer than the Discovery. One nice bit of design that ties this version of the USS Enterprise to what came before are the nacelles. Enterprise as its most famous craft. These same kind of floodlights are present in the Discovery version. The following is a list of starship classes employed by the Federation. I am unaware of any smartphone that is able to successfully communicate with any person moving at a significant percentage of the speed of light at which those ships travel. I doubt that the 23rd century is going to look like the 1960s. Just because you and I pictured it to look differently at that time doesn’t mean anything…our assumptions are not canon, only what is shown on screen. They should have taken the opportunity then to establish things. TMP finally fixed it by effectively shortening it with the photon torpedo launcher. So there’s no in-universe reason to add the extended “lip” detail, it seems gratuitous. This is the Prime Universe. While not exactly the same, you can see the Discovery impulse engines have three segments on each side. Maybe it didn’t have to be post-Voyager but as many said post-TUC would even feel a bit better and some of the technology could feel like its catching up to TNGs time although in this show a lot of it is more advance than that time as well. I think the mistake was was trying to base another show in the 23rd century or at least this part of the century. If I can accept these changes, then other people need to let go of their nitpicking. Take my money!!!!! Discovery NCC-1031 model comes with an exclusive collector's magazine featuring details about the vessel and its design, along with a … The designers have done a cracking job of bringing the Enterprise into the 21st Century without compromising the original design. This new design looks great. This hidden room within the mountain was designed for the future. Nemo’s ship puttee fear into the Federation because of its size and destructive power, accounting for more resources being devoted to the possibility that it was a seeker ship in our area with a possible armada waiting just somewhere outside of the Federation space. Other Klingons would still have the ridges we simply didn’t see those on TOS so it actually fits just fine in Discovery. My wife, who isn’t a huge Star Trek fan instantly recognized it as “The Enterprise” even though she had no idea who Pike is or what the registration number is (so the early tease from distress call were lost on her). The Enterprise is not suppose to be that much older and as said the Shenzhou is also older and yet it looks NOTHING like the 1701 either. It would be great to see the big-E make a cameo, though I wouldn't want them to make a huge deal out of it. This is how it should have been in 2009. The old sets/ships wouldn’t fly on a movie theater screen, let alone our 4K TV big screens of 2018. Re: During the Cage era they wore essentially the same uniforms. It’s proportions were all wrong… it always seemed bigger on the inside than the outside. They would have a lot more leeway had they not insisted it worked. As far as the neck being shorter than the refit version, don’t forget that the neck of the ship in TMP is sitting on the newly installed torpedo tubes, so it will look longer than it did just sitting against the secondary hull. Agree 100%. Well said Dana. 1:49m Star Trek: Discovery. “Solution: at some point in season 2 establish that Discovery is in an alternate reality/timeline. I don’t think that they have to explain the klingons. Indeed there’s nothing that proves that is the case. We use cookies to ensure that we give you the best experience on our website. Even though in that case it was much more pronounced, like an actual landing pad. I’m really not sure why they like to show space as blue. The difference with TOS is that its suppose to be presenting OUR future several centuries from now and yet their computers are bulkier than ours 300 years in the future. It was removed after the two pilots. Once you start changing things for change’s sake, is when it all falls apart. The bottom line is nobody, including yourself really believe that the 60’s models and sets could seriously pass for a real starship in this day and age. TMP Enterprise is really beautiful. It’s not canon or prime—it’s a reimagined series—plain and simple. But those that feel as I do, and there are plenty—the ones that have bent and accepted every drastic and subtle change to Trek over its vast history—DISCO being crammed into the Prime timeline, is too much. It would work just fine after Nemesis. If, At this point in time, the Enterprise wouldn't necessarily be 'special'. They spew vitriol at anyone who criticizes “their” show- even if the criticisms are valid and reasonable. Don’t say you have a reverence for the material and then go and change it. The Constitution-class USS Enterprise (NCC-1701) is launched under the command of Captain Robert April and begins its first 5-year mission. She’s beautiful, to be honest. My own "re-imagining" of the Constitution-class in the ST:DSC era. So far we’ve seen how the Discovery USS Enterprise melds influences from the rest of the franchise, but there are two totally unique oddities with this new design. There’s likely no reason to introduce the original 1960s series Enterprise into the story, other than fan service. The difference is we haven’t seen them from TOS but BOTH exists according to Enterprise. New stupid crap meet old stupid crap. Trekboi, After all, the Kelvin-verse Enterprise has been cited with many lengths over the years, ranging from 294 to 1524 meters, and many different things in between. If you can’t accept that as canon, that’s too bad…I feel sorry for you, because it is canon. I love this version of the Enterprise. . Seems like a descendant of the NX-01 refit. And you pretty much just made the producers’ point for them. Your argument is that between the two the ship was completely refitted and then rolled back to iot’s previous version in time for Where No Man Has Gone Before. I don’t mind that provided the producers aren’t insisting that it DOES work, but they are, so the series just feels like a really weird, purposeless, low-grade lie to me. Which is why I am still confounded as to why they made Discovery a prequel. She did lose her luster a bit in the other films because the effects people couldn’t deal with the pearlescent paint. ), Star Trek NAACP 52nd Image Awards Nominees, Reminder: Nichols Movie Showing In Theaters Tonight, McMahan: Finding Storytelling Opportunities in Lower Decks, Perfect World Entertainment’s Star Trek Online Charity Drive, Kurtzman: What To Expect In Season Four Of Discovery. At the end of Discovery Season 2, everything changes, as Michael Burnham leads the Discovery through a wormhole and they travel 930 and 931 years into the future … U.S.S. Regardless, for those who are adhere to visual canon, the precedent is theoretically there. The visual aesthetics and budgetary production limitations have very little to do with trying to stay true to the story. The very most recent Trek series went to the trouble to make a motion picture length drama about why Klingons starting with Archer’s time developed smooth foreheads that they maintained through Kirk’s era. As the time-tossed starship commanded by Captain … While we can’t settle any of those debates today, certainly not before we see what they’re planing to do with the Enterprise in season two, we can do what Trekkies do best, which is to analyze the new “Disco” design of the most famous ship in the Star Trek franchise. I’m loving the new design. And why does it seem murky instead of sharp? Give a smattering of older style Klingons in the background, or even just some what hair, and you’d go a long way to making it all fit together and for the fans who liked the older versions. Mjolnir2000 , Aug 12, 2016 @nytehawk — nope, they were always bald, it just didn’t appear that way in the television episode you were watching. A classic TOS shot that shows off the bow of the ship. Dude you’re pathetic. Not sure what you mean, but the policy of canon has been clearly defined, and what is shown on screen, is canon, set in the prime universe unless otherwise indicated. It’s a light beacon. i totally agree. Let’s be honest, it took TNG until the 3rd season to be worthy Trek. I’d hazard a guess that the “potato peeler” element of the nacelle pylons is a earlier version of the flush vents/thermal regulator assembly that we see in the TMP refit. An Enterprise that no matter what version of ST you may have seen a few episodes of you knew this was “The Enterprise”. If it makes sense in context, why not? It does have a steeper taper on the edge, making it somewhat unique to this interpretation, but is otherwise pretty close, including the same long triangular markings on the underside. Well of course it is—and I realize there have always been continuity inconsistencies—but the entire Klingons race being refitted (no hair) come on. Star Trek was a TV show on a shoestring budget, like $150k an episode. That’s detailing, not an open area. Who said I didn’t like it. What is new is the all-CGI ships and architecture, allowing the filmmakers to stage battle scenes with much greater depth of field (in a virtual camera), more moving elements, simulated weather conditions, dust clouds, better compositing, smoke and explosion effects, etc. I’ve been very critical about the things I’ve disliked about STD, and there have been many of them. Why does it matter what Klingons look like…the Empire is comparable in size to the Federation…there would be many different races and subspecies of Klingons…they likely bred with subjugated races… this isn’t the first time we’ve seen different looking Klingons. Having a more detailed Enterprise doesn’t change that. Stick with the storyboard and maybe not the scripts. The Enterprise is a good compromise. Moreover, there are TNG era Klingon characters with ridges who did not have ridges when they first appeared in TOS. I wish that those who are critical of Discovery should realize that Roddenberry didn’t have the budget in 1966 that later incarnations had shown. Even worse the that show with the GEICO cavemen? The actual refitting took eighteen months of work and essentially a new vessel was built onto the bones of the old, replacing virtually every major system. English isn’t your first language,is it? I’d peg it at about 250m, maybe a little longer considering the long tapering nacelles. Wow I never saw it that way but you could be right. DISCO would be like George Lucas introducing midichlorians in the Star Wars prequels to ‘enhance’ how the Force works.